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Re: Open top that over rotates, What is the problem?
« Reply #40 on: March 31, 2011, 11:07:14 PM »
Thanks Rifle

but I live in New Zealand so a bit hard to pop over for a yarn , thanks for offer though, Have got a guy in NZ that reckons he can fix it so will send to him and let you know how it goes


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Re: Open top that over rotates, What is the problem?
« Reply #41 on: April 02, 2011, 08:28:37 AM »
Interesting link you came up with Fox Creek Kid. ;)

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Re: Open top that over rotates, What is the problem?
« Reply #42 on: April 02, 2011, 12:53:09 PM »
Howdy Mako,

The EDM outfit was a company up here in what used to be gun valley (Connecticut). Hartford Armoury was the company (outfit) that also made the incredible (though pricy) Remington cartridge revolvers here in the states.

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Re: Open top that over rotates, What is the problem?
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Re: Open top that over rotates, What is the problem?
« Reply #43 on: October 27, 2011, 09:00:02 PM »
I'm having a lot of fun reading all the speculation about this "Texican". The gun is not made by STI or any former employee, or anyone in Hartford. As a manufacturing Engineer in Ct. with 50 years experience programming NC-CNC machines I can tell you that this gun is made on the finest Swiss and German High speed CNC equipment.  Colt, Ruger, Sig, S&W  and USFA only wish that they had the same equipment and I have been in most of these shops and done work for some of them. The parts that make up the Texican are probably the most precise you will find in the gun industry. There is NO hand work or fitting of any kind that goes into this gun. If you took parts from 50 of these guns and mixed them up and randomly put them together, you would not find any measurable difference in any of the gun assemblies.
For those that think all CNC are "high speed" you are very wrong. All of the machines used to make the Texican can run at 36,000 RPM. If STI says this is a dead product I'm sure it will appear under a different name. If there are changes you would like to see to make this more "authentic" Let me know and I will pass the information on.

 

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Re: Open top that over rotates, What is the problem?
« Reply #44 on: October 27, 2011, 10:16:33 PM »
I'm having a lot of fun reading all the speculation about this "Texican". The gun is not made by STI or any former employee, or anyone in Hartford. As a manufacturing Engineer in Ct. with 50 years experience programming NC-CNC machines I can tell you that this gun is made on the finest Swiss and German High speed CNC equipment.  Colt, Ruger, Sig, S&W  and USFA only wish that they had the same equipment and I have been in most of these shops and done work for some of them. The parts that make up the Texican are probably the most precise you will find in the gun industry. There is NO hand work or fitting of any kind that goes into this gun. If you took parts from 50 of these guns and mixed them up and randomly put them together, you would not find any measurable difference in any of the gun assemblies.
For those that think all CNC are "high speed" you are very wrong. All of the machines used to make the Texican can run at 36,000 RPM. If STI says this is a dead product I'm sure it will appear under a different name. If there are changes you would like to see to make this more "authentic" Let me know and I will pass the information on.

 

Okay, I'll bite.  Prove it.

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Re: Open top that over rotates, What is the problem?
« Reply #45 on: October 28, 2011, 08:00:03 PM »
Okay, I'll bite.  Prove it.

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Mako
I am not at liberty to say who or where the mfgr. is other than it is a small CT shop with very serious equipment. But what what would you like for proof?

9) 5axis high speed machining centers with pallet changers and probing for every part.  All less than 6 years old with 2 that will be started up for the first time in the next few weeks
several CNC sinkers and 1 large wire machine
CNC mill turn lathe and second CNC lathe
Several CNC CMM
Several CNC Grinders
at least 6 smaller CNC mills ( for tooling and support)

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Re: Open top that over rotates, What is the problem?
« Reply #46 on: October 28, 2011, 09:18:34 PM »
I am not at liberty to say who or where the mfgr. is other than it is a small CT shop with very serious equipment. But what what would you like for proof?

9) 5axis high speed machining centers with pallet changers and probing for every part.  All less than 6 years old with 2 that will be started up for the first time in the next few weeks
several CNC sinkers and 1 large wire machine
CNC mill turn lathe and second CNC lathe
Several CNC CMM
Several CNC Grinders
at least 6 smaller CNC mills ( for tooling and support)


Connecticut Yankee, 
I'm sorry that I sound dubious, but that is just an equipment list.  It sounds like a well equipped shop, but what does that  have to do with STI in Georgetown?  If I know Skinner, and if he did sub out operations then he had a contract that would preclude it appearing with a "different name."  You've obviously never dealt with the man.   Now if you have heard rumors to the contrary then I'm sure it's something they need to hear about.

Dillon came in and cancelled this and several other projects and is trying to get them back to their core competencies and markets.  They also cancelled their AR15 dreams (at least for a while).  The Texican wasn't even in the same galaxy as the guns they were producing.  It was a "project" that seemed good at the time until they realized the limited scope of the market compared to what their business model was.

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Mako
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Re: Open top that over rotates, What is the problem?
« Reply #47 on: October 29, 2011, 12:15:54 AM »
Connecticut Yankee, 
I'm sorry that I sound dubious, but that is just an equipment list.  It sounds like a well equipped shop, but what does that  have to do with STI in Georgetown?  If I know Skinner, and if he did sub out operations then he had a contract that would preclude it appearing with a "different name."  You've obviously never dealt with the man.   Now if you have heard rumors to the contrary then I'm sure it's something they need to hear about.

Dillon came in and cancelled this and several other projects and is trying to get them back to their core competencies and markets.  They also cancelled their AR15 dreams (at least for a while).  The Texican wasn't even in the same galaxy as the guns they were producing.  It was a "project" that seemed good at the time until they realized the limited scope of the market compared to what their business model was.

Regards,
Mako
Lets leave it at that for now. There will be more in the near future, stainless models, more calibers, different grips  5 axis machined to fit perfectly and  more.  Also more replica or original pieces :)

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Re: Open top that over rotates, What is the problem?
« Reply #48 on: October 29, 2011, 12:58:26 AM »
Such a fascinating non-conversation!

An unidentified  gentleman with 3 posts to his name pops in and offers unique and tantelizing  "insider information", secrets of manufacturing, and hitherto unknown wonderful products to come!

Does this perhaps remind anyone of the remarkable M&H threads of yore?

Speaking of M&H seems like they are still trying to build the 5 prototypes. It appears they finally have 5 cylinders and some difficult "center pins" and by golly they have posted photos!

"but here are the corrected cylinders that came in the other day.
Now just waiting on barrels....did a vendor visit on them this morning.
They hit an issue, which of course blows up our timeline"

Slow but sure, and God Willing they will build enough revolvers to cover the commitments that were made and the deposits that were taken.

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Re: Open top that over rotates, What is the problem?
« Reply #49 on: October 29, 2011, 09:20:07 PM »
... If there are changes you would like to see to make this more "authentic" Let me know and I will pass the information on.

... But what what would you like for proof?

Lets leave it at that for now.

Amen Professor Marvel, Amen...


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Re: Open top that over rotates, What is the problem?
« Reply #50 on: October 30, 2011, 09:16:03 AM »
Every time I see the 'Merwin Bunch' referenced - especially when the deposits are mentioned - I can hear 'Bwa-Ha-Ha-Ha-Haaaa!' in the background, and the clinking of glasses...

But then I may be somewhat cynical.

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Re: Open top that over rotates, What is the problem?
« Reply #51 on: October 30, 2011, 07:25:52 PM »
Such a fascinating non-conversation!

An unidentified  gentleman with 3 posts to his name pops in and offers unique and tantelizing  "insider information", secrets of manufacturing, and hitherto unknown wonderful products to come!

Does this perhaps remind anyone of the remarkable M&H threads of yore?

Speaking of M&H seems like they are still trying to build the 5 prototypes. It appears they finally have 5 cylinders and some difficult "center pins" and by golly they have posted photos!

"but here are the corrected cylinders that came in the other day.
Now just waiting on barrels....did a vendor visit on them this morning.
They hit an issue, which of course blows up our timeline"

Slow but sure, and God Willing they will build enough revolvers to cover the commitments that were made and the deposits that were taken.

yhs
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Hey, I didn't speak up just to be beat on by people with nothing else to do. We in Connecticut are tired of the decline of the gun industry here. Winchester, Marlin, High Standard, Ruger, and Remington ammunition are all gone from here. The others, Mossberg, Charter Arms, Seecamp, Colt and a few others are just hanging in. When a new guy comes along and is dedicated to making the finest product that he can, I will defend and encourage him as much as I can. There have been some production hickups but thats in the past. I have no vested interest in the company and enjoy watching a very talented nice guy work on making the best product that he can with the best equipment, fixturing, and tooling that can be bought. If you want better products speak up with some positive suggestions and not all the criticizing  BS. Life is to short. I am not a classic six shooter guy (cant afford it) All I have is my Ruger LC9 and old S&W conceal carry revolver and 10 long guns. 

Now that is 4 posts

 

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