Stainless

[jay2101]

Can you use a Winchester 45 Colt Lever Action in Stainless in NCOWS?? or does it have to be BLUE

[Pancho Peacemaker]

Can you use a Winchester 45 Colt Lever Action in Stainless in NCOWS?? or does it have to be BLUE

Depends:

The stainless must be polished stainless to look like nickle finish.  (Reason:  stainless didn't exist pre-1900, but nickle did).  Matte or brushed (dull) stainless would not be period correct.

Also, most Winchester lever guns are ok.  They must be either original or reproductions of pre-1900 designs ('94's, 92's, 73's, 66's and the Henry '60 are all good examples).  One that will not fit the bill is the modern angle-ejecting Winchester 94's.

Remember our goal is look and replicate items and materials that were available in the era.  You can still attend matches if you are not 100% within the rules.  NCOWS gives you one year to get your kit within specs.

http://www.ncows.org/rules.html

[Bow View Haymaker]

I don't really have a dog in this fight but why is the Angle eject winchester 94 not allowed.  I know the top of the ejection port is angled and it has a safety but are those really enough differfence to make it illegal?  does it operate differently? give an advantage?  is it less safe than an older design?  from 10 feet away can anyone really tell the difference?

also wouldn't a gun with the finish worn off look a lot like brushed stainless?  You think everything staed nice and shiny 100+ years ago?

just wonderin?

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[Major 2]

I don't really have a dog in this fight but why is the Angle eject winchester 94 not allowed.  I know the top of the ejection port is angled and it has a safety but are those really enough differfence to make it illegal?   yes does it operate differently? some what give an advantage? probably not  is it less safe than an older design? nope   from 10 feet away can anyone really tell the difference?  


also wouldn't a gun with the finish worn off look a lot like brushed stainless?  You think everything staed nice and shiny 100+ years ago?
just wonderin?

"from 10 feet away can anyone really tell the difference? "  
That goes in hand with "if they da had it they da used it "...
modern angle-ejecting Winchester 94's, Ruger Bisley',s Buscadro holster rigs & Ruger Old Army's did not exist in the era.
So they are not approved
"Remember our goal is look and replicate items and materials that were available in the era"

[Cliff Fendley]

I don't have a dog in the fight either but I can see the safety from 10 feet away and that may be the difference, looks. The authenticity means more to some people than others but I suppose the line has to be drawn somewhere because authenticity is part of NCOWS.

I'm new to NCOWS and and have realized a lot of it is up to the individual as to how authentic you want to be but also realize there has to be rules on it to draw the line somewhere.

[Pancho Peacemaker]

I don't have a dog in the fight either but I can see the safety from 10 feet away and that may be the difference, looks. The authenticity means more to some people than others but I suppose the line has to be drawn somewhere because authenticity is part of NCOWS.

I'm new to NCOWS and and have realized a lot of it is up to the individual as to how authentic you want to be but also realize there has to be rules on it to draw the line somewhere.

Well said Cliff.  And "to draw the line soemwhere" is a democratic process that is voted on by our membership.  Everyone in the organization has a say in these authenticity guidelines.  If a member or members have an issue about a certain firearm, the item can be brought before our Congress which meets yearly.  The firearm in question with any supporting historic documentation is discussed, reviewed, and voted on. 

Folks that enjoy the NCOWS game enjoy researching and documenting how authenic their kit is.  As Cliff noted, we have our organizational thresholds, but how authentic an individual is depends on the individual shooter's desire.

[triple w]

I think either blue/case or nickle/nickled look with some wear is best. (remember these guns didn't look 150 years old 150 years ago)  I think what makes NCOWS unique is indeed the authenticity factor. I have nothing against SASS, and in fact with the exception of being required to use four guns, I would say that the two are 98 % alike. Buuuuuuuutttt,...... that last 2% is what really appeals to me the most.  I have never felt the need to be that competitive. Now don’t get me wrong, I want to do well, but I just enjoy shooting the period weapons and being transported back in time. I also think watching or being involved in a re-enactment would be an absolute hoot!  I’ve never been to a NCOWS match and due to health issues I’m not sure if I can get involve or not, but I’m hoping to at least make a run to "The Great Lakes Freight and Mining Co."   next summer to scout things out.

TW

[Steel Horse Bailey]

Triple W, I hope you can join us!

[whiskers]

Howdy,
I am new to NCOWS too, but have watched the progress for a couple of years.
I do not like the speed, up close targets, or gun modifications in SASS.
I do like my Ruger Bisleys but am willing to change for the authenticity. I also have some original Colt Bisleys and they are different, just a little, but different. The angle eject Winchester is just a little different but different also.
I am not a competitive shooter, just like to have fun.
When I satarted in SASS in 97 it had some of the fun things that NCOWS  has now but they have gone away for the speed shooters.
Keep up the good work NCOWS and do not compromise your ideals.
Whiskers
NCOWS 3365

[Irish Dave]

Thanks, Whiskers. And welcome to NCOWS.

[Jed Cooper]

Triple W, You will not find a finer bunch of fellows than GLFMC. I hope to be there when you come.    I too thank you Whiskers. NCOWS  Folks are about history, more than speed. It's all about having fun with what you like. We try to do the best with what was available at that point in time. Just my 2 cents.    Jed

[Texas Lawdog]

Well said, Brother Dave!

[Tjackstephens]

Dave, I believe that must have been two of those large cent pieces. Tj