Cimarron Arms 1876 in 45-60

[RedBaron]

In Feb-2006 I ordered one of the then new 1876 in 45-60 from Cimarron Arms.  Thirteen months later I received it. From March to October  2007 I worked with the rifle, trying to achieve consistent accuracy. This, with safe smokeless loads.  Even after adding the Marbles Improved sight, that goal was not obtained. Bullets were both cast 300 gr.(.458"-.459"dia.) and Remington 300 gr jacketed bullets. Might get one good group, then move over the paper. This was with the original and Marbles sights.
On Oct. 2nd-2007 I sent the rifle to Cimarron's gunsmith in New york state. This was per their instructions. During this time ,Oct-07 to early Jan-2008 , I had several converstions with the gunsmith. All he could find was that, when slugging the bore, it did not "seem right". Tight-then loose. In late Dec-07 the rifle was sent back to Cimarron for Mike Harvey (owner) to make a personal evaluation. Harvey shot maybe 5- shots of Buffalo Arms  BP rounds thru it. Said I was using the wrong diameter bullet.  Indicated that I should be using .456" not .458-.459"diameter bullets. Then he sent it to a local gunsmith to work the crown.
When I received the rifle I was astounded.  The crown-work consisted of the muzzle being ground off, not faced on a lathe, leaving the face of the barrel .014"-.015" off square. There was no crown left. The bore was "frosted" from the BP residue left for couple of months, because they did not clean it.  The owner of the gunshop where I had purchased the Cimarron, immediately ordered me a new Uberti direct from Stoeger.
Right from the box the Uberti shot 50-60 percent better than the Cimarron, and grouped consistently.  Also a gunsmith who had examined both rifles said the Uberti was better finished inside and out than the Cimarron. Bottom line, neither I or the gunshop will purchase anything from Cimarron. Harvey treated both the shop and myself badly. When you purchase a Cimarron, you are paying more money for a lesser qualilty rifle, and will not get fair or professional service.

[Dirty Brass]

I feel your pain with all the grief you've had, but I have a question. I was under the impression that the Cimarron guns were Uberti guns also. Is this not so?

[Grizzly Adams]

I feel your pain with all the grief you've had, but I have a question. I was under the impression that the Cimarron guns were Uberti guns also. Is this not so?

Yes, Uberti builds everything for Cimarron, Taylors, EMF, Navy Arms, Stoeger and all the rest of the importers.

Red Baron, sorry to hear about your troubles with Cimarron.  Sounds like you got a lemon and they did a POOR job of addressing the problem.

[shooter93]

I know the feeling quite well...They have absolutely the worst customer service I have evey seen I had huge troubles with a 73 and two Open Tops.......never again.

[Rowdy Fulcher]

Howdy Pards
Sorry you had bad luck with your 76 . Last year I received a Taylor's 1876 in 45-60 for the NCOWS National Shoot , it shoot great and there wasn't any problems . In all the testing we shot 500 rounds NO PROBLEMS. The ammo came from 10-X some was smokeless and some were BPC . Yes I would recommend a Taylor's .

[Deadeye Don]

Guys,   There is NO difference in the  1876 guns that come from Cimarron vs.  Taylors.  Both companies can have lemons that they sell.  If there is any problem it is Uberti that owns the problem.  However, there does appear to be a difference in how the two distributors handle any problems that crop up in some cases.  I personally have had no problems with either Taylors or Cimarrons customer service.   I just dont want newbies out there that might be reading this posting to think there is some inherent difference in the quality of the guns that come from either distributor.  Redbaron,  I am sorry you had this problem with the customer service you got from Cimarron, but again it has nothing to do with the inherent quality of the 1876 being DISTRIBUTED  by Cimarron.   Regards.  Deadeye.