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Offline Texean

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Another new guy with questions
« on: March 03, 2008, 10:33:36 PM »
I am new to the whole cowboy action thing and i am working on my outfit. I have chose to go with a Texas Ranger for my persona so to speak and I have notice in a bunch of historic pictured that most if not all of them are wearing collered shirts. The question i have is would this be appropriate for wear at a event or is there an actual dress code(so to say)?  this is the site i was looking at for my inspiration.  http://www.curtrich.com/gs.txrangcost2.html

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Re: Another new guy with questions
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2008, 02:32:58 AM »
I am new to the whole cowboy action thing and i am working on my outfit. I have chose to go with a Texas Ranger for my persona so to speak and I have notice in a bunch of historic pictured that most if not all of them are wearing collered shirts. The question i have is would this be appropriate for wear at a event or is there an actual dress code(so to say)?  this is the site i was looking at for my inspiration.  http://www.curtrich.com/gs.txrangcost2.html
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Re: Another new guy with questions
« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2008, 05:03:48 AM »
Howdy Texean,

It is admirable that you want to be meticulous in your outfit.  Collared shirts were around in the Civil War as well.  Most of the band collared shirts you see would have detachable collars to be worn to dances, Sunday Meetings and such.  Reading and research will get you there. 

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Re: Another new guy with questions
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Re: Another new guy with questions
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2008, 06:14:28 AM »
Howdy

You can read all about costume requirements here:

http://www.sassnet.com/Downloads/RO/SASSHandbook(14).pdf

The only type of shirt that is not allowed in CAS is a short sleeved shirt. Other than that, just about any long sleeved shirt is OK. At this time there are two 'Costume Categories', Classic Cowboy/Cowgirl, and B-Western. B-Western stipulates that shirts must be fancy, with snap buttons or flashy embroidery. Classic does not stipulate anything about shirts.

As long as it has long sleeves, you can wear it in CAS. When it gets hot, roll up your sleeves.
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Re: Another new guy with questions
« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2008, 08:22:14 AM »
Not sure if you're looking to get into NCOWS or SASS but the clothing requirements for NCOWS are much more strict that SASS's.
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Re: Another new guy with questions
« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2008, 06:52:48 PM »
NCOWS clothing requirements are a bit stricter than SASS.  You can outfit yourself from the local thrift stores for the most part.  I bought a shirt today for $2.50 which is 100% cotton with a band collar, buttons down the entire front.  A pair of 501 Levi's with the belt loops and the left rear pocket removed are just fine.  Our Marshal usually wears these at the range!  Leather vests were not at all common in the 19th Century and are not NCOWS approved.  What ever cowboy hat that you want.  Boots with no stitching on the toes.  Lace up boots are fine.  For a city slicker, Stacy Adams shoes are great and still made to the historic pattern.  ACW brogans are also good.  I have a picture of a 1870's reunion of Veterans of the battle of San Jacinta [end of the Texas Revolution - 1837] with about 20 vets, 6 or 8 with brogans, 6 with vests with no collar, and white band collar shirts.  Most all have gray/white hair & beards.

No one in NCOWS will check your pants to see if they have a zipper, or your shirt to see if it is part polyester.  Sass will be happy to have you dressed in PC clothing too.  You will find quite a bit of information at the CAS City Historical Society board on down the street a bit.

Lots of places to buy ready made clothes.  Check a bunch of them out and then jump in! ;D

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Re: Another new guy with questions
« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2008, 09:02:00 AM »
From what I've read, the shirts with the banded collar (almost collar-less) were the "dress shirts" of the mid to late 1800's.  Cowboys did wear them, but probably more often for dress occasions or if that was their only shirt.

What we see as the denim work shirt is quite close to what cowboys often wore.  Yes, they had the same collar as modern shirts, were often made of home-spun cotton, wool, linen, etc.

Remember that most of the photos we have of the old cowboys were when they were dressed up in town.  And many of them were "staged" sometimes using prop guns and what ever.  So it was normally when they were wearing their best - no wearing their work clothes.

I find it interesting that we make a big stress on the shirt but accept "Levis" pants.  In the 1870s and early 80's, cowboys would wear shirts with a full collar, but generally wore a "dress pant."  Levi's were thought of as for "lowly" minors and cowboys thought they dressed better than that.  Only in the very late 1880s and 1890's did cowboys switch over to the more rugged  Levi style.  (A course, they would never say "pant" in public in those days since it was "vulgar."  :D

So, yes, those shirts are fine for SASS. 
In this case, NCOWS may a "town dress" requirement if they do not allow the standard work shirt style used then and now.

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Re: Another new guy with questions
« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2008, 10:12:13 AM »
No one in NCOWS will check your pants to see if they have a zipper, or your shirt to see if it is part polyester




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Re: Another new guy with questions
« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2008, 11:11:34 AM »
Texean:

One thing to keep in mind -- whichever group appeals to you -- is that the level of authenticity in your attire is a decision that you will be making -- as long as it meets the organization's basic requirements.

In SASS for example, pretty much anything "cowboy" goes. You can go to a SASS match and see the full gamut -- from those with Roy Rogers-style, snap-closure Wrangler type shirts and 6-color boots to folks whose attire is meticulous and far exceeds even the standards for NCOWS.

At an NCOWS match, the same is true -- to a degree. Although NCOWS' basic requirements are somewhat more strict and more historically based than SASS, there are still folks who just meet the basics and those who are also meticulous to the nth degree. Most, like SASS, fall somewhere in the middle.

As to shirts, fold-over collars (no button-downs) were indeed common in the era -- primarily as everyday "working" type attire. Banded collar shirts (which were basically designed to wear with detachable collars) were also very common -- with the collars often reserved for more formal or business occasions. One trait that overshadowed most of the others is that shirts were primarily pullover-style with only a 3 to 5 button placket down the font. Full-button shirts were available (especially later in the period) but were not nearly as common.

Pants are another matter. Typical correct traits include: button fly, high waist, no belt loops, buttons or studs for suspenders, rear pocket only on the right. Old photos (except for farmers and common laborers often seen in baggies) tended to show a fairly slim or "stovepipe" leg and certainly with no creases in the pant legs. In actuality, they differed very little from modified Levi 501 style pants with the exception of material (wool and blends were very common) and the somewhat lower waist on the Levi's. If you're planning on modifying 501s I would recommend black as the "blue denim" color was somewhat associated with miners, day laborers and such until after the turn of the 20th century. (Levi Strauss, as I recall, made his first pants from basic tenting canvas which was muslin or duck colored, before switching to the "serge de Nimes" material we now call denim.)

A substantial percentage of men's pants (save orveralls and pants designed for hard usage) started life as part of a suit, which was standard attire for town dwellers, including lawmen and the business class, gamblers, easterners and the like. It is also common to see period photos where the pants don't match the vest and coat. Some of this (based on fashion) was deliberate, but frequently was due to the fact that pants wore out first and needed to be replaced long before the vest/coat.

The bottom line, IMHO, is that you need to decide how detailed and how authentic you want your attire to be and then pursue it. A little reading, research and asking lots of questions will yield a substantial amount of info for you.

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Re: Another new guy with questions
« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2008, 06:24:46 PM »
thanks for the help guys, yall have been invaluable in my quest for a authentic (as possible) old west uniform. That being said i will build a working rangers bill of clothing as i doubt i would be in town much considering. I will also work at putting together some town clothes for dinners and such. but please if you have anymore reccomendations i appreciate everyone of them.

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Re: Another new guy with questions
« Reply #10 on: March 06, 2008, 07:02:24 AM »
Howdy Again

I always send folks to this page as a reference for 19th Century men's clothing. Don't be put off by the name, men's attire was not all that different in the west and the east in the 19th Century. Lots of good historical information here about clothing and many other aspects of 19th Century life.

http://www.lahacal.org/gentleman/index.html
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Re: Another new guy with questions
« Reply #11 on: March 06, 2008, 01:03:55 PM »
thank you driftwood that will help alot as i was trying to figure out the evening apperal idea

 

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