Question on M-1911A1's in Wild Bunch matches

[Mustang Gregg]

Pards:

We ain't been to no Wild Bunch match yet, but we been ponderin' it.  Are them M-1911A1's (NM) with the factory adjustable sights okay for shootin'?  That's the onliest auto-pistols (2) we have that are close to the era bein' played.

We reckoned we would use them there .45 pistols & the M-92's & Win or LC Smith SxS.  But we've never found the actual SASS shootin' regulations.  Or are the regs written by the local range directors?  I have located some site of different clubs with slightly different rules.

Still a-lookin',
Mustang Gregg

[Montana Slim]

<snip>.....Or are the regs written by the local range directors? Still a-lookin',
Mustang Gregg

That's been my experience so far.
At the club I shoot WB (Shady Creek Shootists)...your pistol would be fine.

Slim

[Hedley Lamarr]

There are NO sass rule/regulations for Wild Bunch.
It is solely up to the local club as to how they want to shoot it and with what weapons.

We typically allow ANY single action only semi-auto, so anyone can play.
Use two mags each loaded with five rounds.
May or may not use a rifle, sometimes we set it up so it's just pistol and shotgun.

Of course, the older the 1911 and the more cool uniform stuff you have on adds to the I look good points...

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[Ransom Gaer]

Mustang Gregg,

At the club I'd be shootin' Wild Bunch your 1911A1's with adjustable sights would not be legal.  Nor is my Auto Ordinance 1911A1 that I installed an ambi safety on.  Drat!!!  The club has an approved firearms list for Wild Bunch matches on their website.  Other clubs are different, just from reading the previous posts.

Ransom Gaer

[Mustang Gregg]

Yup, Fellers:

That's what I'm findin' out too---Lots of different rules for different clubs.  No problem.
I only have them two NM M-1911A1's that "might" be okay.  I figger on packin' both of 'em for style points.  And I know for sure my fixed sight Para Ordnance P-14 .45 ACP wonj't be acceptable.     Hehehehehehe

I gotta get out the Wild Bunch VHS tape & watch it again.  I ain't seen that movie since the 1970's!

MG

[Driftwood Johnson]

Howdy

Like Hedely sez, there are no official SASS rules for Wild Bunch matches. It is not an officially recognized SASS affiliated activity and SASS has adopted a hands off policy regarding Wild Bunch matches. The rules are up to the local match director, so it's always best to call before you show up, rather than show up with something you may not be able to use.

Most Wild Bunch matches will allow just about any 1911 as long as it doesn't have fancy modern type sights on it. Some might allow simple adjustable sights, some might not. I attend a WIld Bunch match every year in Rhode Island that allows almost anything. I have shown up with lots of my old Double Action pencil barrel revolvers. It's a real treat to get to use these in a match. Last year I brought my brace of S&W Model 1917s in 45ACP. I've shot Colt Police Positives, S&W M&Ps, and I even got to shoot a Triple Lock once. I've seen Lugers, Broomstick Mausers, and stuff I don't even know what it was. I may bring my Browning Pocket Auto for one stage this year. You know, the gun that started World War One.

One guy even had a British Lee Enfield complete with the bayonette one year. We kept hollering for him to charge. The other great thing about these matches is we get to stoke the '97s at the loading table. I forget now if mine will hold 5 or 6, but I fill it up and then let loose.

But it's all up to the local club.

[Modoc]

Hey Ransom, Which club?  I am curious about their "approved" list.

[Doc Shapiro]

As the others say, depends on the club.  Here we allow any 1911, sans electronic optics and compensators.  In some of the matches, we allow any semi-auto, 9mm or larger, same restrictions (no comp or optics).

Doc

[Mustang Gregg]

Thanks for all of the assist, fellers. 
I reckon the one we might go to is what the Sand Creek Raiders put on in Colorado. 
We've also heard that Shootin' Newton & Chantilly put them on at CCC near Topeka. 

We will contact them for the finer points.

Mustang Gregg & Calamity JoAnne





PS  Wonder if they'd let me shoot as a Gunfighter with them 2 Colt Autos.       
Bruce Willis done that in a movie about a Mexican border town.  Forgot the name of it.

[Ransom Gaer]

Modoc,

The club is called the Sand Creek Raiders.  They shoot out at that Colorado Rifle Club north of Byers, CO.  Their website can be found in the SASS Affiliated Clubs.  <http://www.sandcreekraiders.com>

Hope this helps.

Ransom Gaer

[Sir Charles deMouton-Black]

Shouldn't it require a 1911, or earlier to be PC?

[RattlesnakeJack]

Shouldn't it require a 1911, or earlier to be PC?

True, strictly speaking ... but original shootable 1911's are pricey, and I think the non-1911A repros only came on the market in the last couple of years ... so lots of clubs are "generous" in their local rules ...

I have shot my original 1914 Canadian Contract M1911 in one such match, at the 2005 Grand Army of the Frontier Muster ....

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[Sir Charles deMouton-Black]

Jack;  Mine cost CAD100 at Lever Arms!  I had to pick through a pile of equally priced junk to find my diamond in the rough.  The "story" is that these were WW I arms captured by the Germans, and used as loaners, etc., during the Cold War.  They were finally surplussed out after the fall of the wall.  At least that is the story!

[St. George]

Helluva story.

Wonder why the 'War Reparations Act' that literally stripped Germany of small arms and war materiel to help pay the cost of the Great War spared them?

No matter - you got a bargain and those Canadian WWI-purchased M1911's are nice - I just restored one that popped up here in the States.

It was priced at US$450.

Vaya,

Scouts Out!

Incidentally - William Holden's 'Wild Bunch' pistol is actually a Star - carried in a WWII M7 holster.
You can see the distinctive extractor in a close-up.

[Chuck Would]

PS  Wonder if they'd let me shoot as a Gunfighter with them 2 Colt Autos.       
Bruce Willis done that in a movie about a Mexican border town.  Forgot the name of it.

You'd have to ask the Match Director before the match.  At that same Shoot that Drifty was talking about, I've worn two 1911's in flap holsters.  The Class is called Wild Bunch for them that's shooting them new fangled pistols and get to stoke their '97 shotguns.  Never seen anyone shoot Gunfighter though.  I've shot it Double Duelist and Traditional.

The name of that movie was "Last Man Standing".  One of my favorites.  A remake of the Clint Eastwood Pasta Western ," For a Few Dollars More", I think.  Ever wonder how he reloaded them pistols with one in each hand?