H&R

[Bow View Haymaker]

Would these guns be legal Main match revolvers for NCOWS?

I love H&R old andNew and am always looking for an Excus for another one.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=96652730

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=97312973

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=97366888

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=97080410

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=97329640

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=97261843

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=97458977

[Yuma Kid]

Haymaker,
None of the modern H&R resemble any period correct revolvers.  But all of the antique ones would of course be period correct.  However not all would be legal as main stage guns unless they have 6 round cylinders that would allow loading 5 and still have a empty chamber.
Yuma

[Irish Dave]

Haymaker:

* Neither the Single Six nor the Heritage revolver you listed would be approved due to their reduced frame size.
* The Dura-Coated breaktop would not be approved (if for no other reason) due to its finish. Stainless and plated revolvers are acceptible if they retain the look of traditional nickel plating. No matte or frosted finish revolvers are permitted.
* Yuma has appropriately covered the remainder.

All are "neat" guns in their own right, but most would not be appropriate for NCOWS Main Match usage.
Hope this helps.

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[St. George]

While well covered by the two posts above, I'll point out that these revolvers were never built for heavy usage - even when new.

'Main Match' implies a different level of use and the originals you've pictured would likely be needing spare parts fairly quickly.

While a lot of the internals of the various Harrington & Richardson revolvers stayed the same or remarkably similar over the years - parts breakage is still a factor.

Back then - no one 'competed' with their weaponry - and C&WAS activities are hard on older designs.

Use them in Side Matches, and you'll be just fine, and you'll get to enjoy them.

Vaya,

Scouts Out!

[Bow View Haymaker]

Thanks all for the replies.  I know the originals wouldn't stand up to a lot of shooting but I thought it Would be fun to use for a match or even just part of a match.  When I saw the H&R .32 with the 6 inch barrel I just got to thinking. Aren't 5 shot cylinders allowed if the hammer can rest between the chambers?  Like on my Kirst converted Remington new army or a paterson.  I know the H&Rs can rest the firing pin between the rims.  To bad about the dura coat finish. I thought that was a neat gun.  You sure that bright Nickle didn't get to looking dull after some use back then?  I think the Ruger shown said it was the full size frame.  I forgot that even though NCOWS allows period double actions they are more restrictive on other things.
Thanks again for the replies to my random thoughts.  I need to get to a match again so I don't think so much.   

[Steel Horse Bailey]

Bow View,

The other way you could use a five shot gun would be to load 4 and leave one empty.  Then, either load the fifth one before shooting (which would be easiest) or shoot four, then reload one.

The one gun with the dull finish could be polished to look like it was polished nickel.

Then, you'd be in the position that St. George warned about.  Competition would ruin those antiques quickly. 

That "Dura-Coated" one sure looks good, 'tho - it's in nice shape under the re-finish.

[Lone Gunman]

The 'Stainless' Dura-Coat is just the name of the color, it isn't any type of metal plating etc but rather a type of paint that is sprayed on.  http://www.unitedarmsonline.com/Services/DuraCoat.html

The Ruger & the Heritage are both built on their .22 frames.

[Bow View Haymaker]

How about Piocket Pistol classes?  Which ones would and would not be OK as a pocket pistol?

[Steel Horse Bailey]

Any and all of the old ones with a 4" barrel or less.  (The same restriction about the one with the Dura Coat would apply here.)  Pocket Pistol has no restriction as to rounds:  1 or 2 shot Derringer - OK; 5 or 6 shot break top revolver OK, too.  Caliber is also not restricted, either.  A 32 S&W would be fine as would an old 44 Bulldog.

That 6 shot one that was re-coated would be DANDY in the shape it's in - if the finish were polished like shiny nickel or polished Blue.

[Books OToole]

  A 32 S&W would be fine as would an old 44 Bulldog.

Or a 3 1/3" barreled Colt SSA in .45 Long Colt.

Books

[Bow View Haymaker]

So this little frame .32 with the 6" barrel is out for pocket pistol?   ;DI just wanted to see the pocket. ;)http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=97568116

[Steel Horse Bailey]

So this little frame .32 with the 6" barrel is out for pocket pistol?   ;DI just wanted to see the pocket. ;)http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=97568116

Yeppir!

[Bow View Haymaker]

I want to thank everyone for replying to my sillly questions. 
I know the old H&R's aren't practical for our sport.  I just like to be diferent and you have to admit, they are probably more "period Corect" than a lot of the stuff used.  It might be fun to use one onece n a while.  Any excuse for more guns, right?

[Lone Gunman]

You can download a copy of the whole NCOWS rulebook by clicking HERE.  It has all the answers you need about pocket pistols (which would probably benefit from some further definition), revolvers with 5 chambers etc.

[Books OToole]

 I just like to be diferent and you have to admit, they are probably more "period Corect" than a lot of the stuff used. 

I can relate to your desire to be a little different;  me too.

as to "more 'period correct:'"

27% of all belt pistols (not pocket pistols) manufactured from 1870-1900;  were Colt Single Action Armies

AND

another 53% were Double Actions (Colt models 1877, 1878 & the 1892 family and the S & W .44 DA)*

Just something to think about.


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* Base on numbers from Flayderman's Guide to Antique American Firearms; 9th Edition.

[Fox Creek Kid]

27% of all belt pistols (not pocket pistols) manufactured from 1870-1900;  were Colt Single Action Armies

Wouldn't that be 1873 to 1890?    Books, from whence did this info come? S&W made more revolvers than Colt during the NCOWS era as you well know, but most went overseas.

[Dr. Bob]

FCK,

Read after the * on Books post.  Near the bottom.  Yer question is answered right there!

[Books OToole]

Wouldn't that be 1873 to 1890?    Books, from whence did this info come? S&W made more revolvers than Colt during the NCOWS era as you well know, but most went overseas.

No I really meant 1870 as I included the S & W American.

From Flayderman's (as the footnote stated).

S & W made more pistols but not more belt pistols.  This would include all of the model 3 family.
[They made over a million pocket pistols.]


Books

[Fox Creek Kid]

Thanks for the clarification, Books.