Uberti 1860 hand issue

[The Swede]

Hi everyone, I bought a new hand assembly to have as a back up for my Uberti 1860 Army. I am currently fitting it, but have run into a problem. The timing seems right the cylinder lines up perfect. The problem is that the hammer will not go to full cock. What do I need to adjust???

Thanks in advance.

[Abilene]

Sounds sorta like the hand is a tad too long.  The bolt pops up and locks the cylinder in place while the hand is still trying to push upward. If this is the case, take out the bolt and it should go to full cock.   Can you compare the length of the hand to the old one?

[Coffinmaker]

Abilene is on top of this one.  Unfortunately, Uberti parts are not necessarily "drop in" and often require minor fitting.  The hand is just as cosh too long and is bringing the cylinder into battery a tad too soon.  Take a little, A LITTLE, off the top of the hand.  Then "try fit it again."  It may well take several tries to get it right.

Coffinmaker

[The Swede]

Thanks guys. Both hands appear to be the same length overall, but the top part of the new hand is a third longer on the part that engages the cylinder pawls (hope I got that right). Should they be the same?

Swede

[Coffinmaker]

There is no "same."  They need to be fit until they function correctly.  Need to remember, the folks at the factory who assemble our guns do not necessarily know how to fit parts either.

Coffinmaker

[rifle]

If the nose of the hand is a lil too long then the hand can get against the frame as it nears full cock. Take it down a lil at a time to see what happens.
Abilene is giving sound wisdom bout taking out the bolot to see if the thing goes to full cock. If it hangs up thenthe hand is hittin something.

When you get it to start working go a lil at a time so you can adjust the hand to get the bolt snap into the cylinder notch simultaneously as the trigger goes to full cock.
A proper timing is when you hear three clicks and not four. Four can work but three clicks is proper. Makes sense to have the gun lock into battery as the trigger hits full cock. That gives a more positive stop at the end of the action cycle.

[The Swede]

Thanks for all the support. I will follow all your advice, and work at fitting the new hand proper.



The Swede

[Coffinmaker]

Hey Rifle,
Ya only get "4" clicks with the SAA/Reproduction when there is a "safety" cock notch.  With an 1860 there are only 3 clicks.  Half cock, bolt rise and trigger set. 
I do prefer timing to hear the half cock, hear the bolt rise into the lead, then the trigger set at the same time the bolt slides into the cylinder slot.  Shouldn't actually hear the bolt slide into the slot.  Just the trigger set.

Coffinmaker

[Thumb Buster]

What Coffinmaker said!      Nuthin' as disheartening as a discernible 'tick-tock' at full cock.  "Okay, where's that jeweler's file?"

[Fox Creek Kid]

[rifle]

Fox Creek,You gave me a good chuckle with that one. 

Let me see......first click is half cock......second click is the bolt snaps up.......third click "should be" the trigger hitting full cock on the hammer and "simultaneously" the bolt head snicking into the cylinder notch.That third click is sounding as one click if the timing is proper.

I don't count the safety click at all. It's not part of all single actions action cycle. It's always there if the gun has that feature. I don't count that as a real click and a gun that has that bothers me.      Maks he gun a little more safe but I don't rely on those since I do the "hammer on an empty chamber safety".

An iron out of time has the trigger hitting full cock and.....the bolt before or after that snicking into the cylinder notch. The iron should hit full cock and have the bolt snick into the cylinder notch simultaneously with that full cock snick. Makes sense that the gun hits fullcock and snicks into battery with the bolt head t the same time.

If that last click is not actually two happening at the same time the gun still works alright but the timing is off a little. When the trigger hits full cock and then the hammer needs to go back a little further to get the cylinder into battery that works but gives over-draw to the hammer which really isn't good.

The other way..........If the bolt snicks into the cylinder notch and the hammer needs to go back a little further to get full cock that isn't good either. That puts undo force on the parts.

The check fer the timing has to be done with the action worked slowly. If ya work the action fast to check it sounds like only two clicks.

If an Hombre counts the first snick which is the safety snick(with a gun set up to have that) then I guess that could be four clicks iif the gun is in time but.....if the gun is outta time there would be five clicks in this case.

Anywhooooo.....regardless whether the gun has a safety click to it or not the last click should be two clicks happening at the same time.
Anywhooooo.....what Coffin maker said.....the 1860 should have three clicks when the full cock and the bolt snicks into the cylinder notch at the same time but....most all have four clicks because they ain't exactly in time proper. If yer 1860 has three clicks and they are ..the half cock, the bolt rise and the trigger hittin full cock then the last click,the bolt hittin into the cylinder notch, isn't being counted or the person has a hearing problem like I do or the guns in time.

Some single actions have a weak trigger/bolt spring or a very shallow cylinder notch and the click of the bolt head into the cylinder notch isn't heard easily.

When Coffin Maker says the 1860 Army only has three clicks he's dead on right bout that.......when the gun is "in time" properly. When the trigger full cock snick is not simultaneous with the little "bolt snicks into the cylinder notch" snick then the gun's a little out of time.
I just try to explain that the last two snicks...the full cock snick of the trigger to the hammer and the bolts snick into the cylinder notch should happen at exactly the same time fer the action cycle there at the end of it to be proper. Not every Hombre knows this bout his iron.

Some Hombre are so used to their irons having four clicks (safety doesn't count here) that they may thunk that's the way they should be. Some poor deprived shooters may have never had a shootin iron that has the timing exactly proper.

One Renegade Hombre once told me his single action only had "two" clicks. Right away I knew he was working the action so fast the clicks merged together. I explained he should work the action slowly to survey the action cycle and the number of clicks. If the last two snicks happen together then ya hear only one when it's actually the "trigger hittin full cock" and the "bolt hittin in the bottom of the cylinder notch", which is two happening at the same time.

I sound like a freakin danged broken record. I  guess it can be a help to those not enlightened bout the "proper timing" thing yet and are yet to experience the artful form of a shooting iron single action that's actually in time.

My shootin iron cap&ballers may have worked,and that's what I cared about, but they didn't feel right with all the maladies of "out of time" happening.  That's the way they came out of the box. Those beautiful cap&baller revolvers comin in the mailbox.

In those days the parts broke and the springs broke so often I would go walkin the farm and shooting carrying spare parts and springs all the time with my trusty lil gunsmighing screw driver to change parts and tighten screws as standard equipment fer a shootin day.

Sometimes the mainsprings broke the first time the action hammer was pulled back. That's when I figgered out somehow that sometimes the mainsprings were too long and they would bind under the hammer and have nowhere to go but "broke".

One day I finally saved up enough to buy a Cattleman that was in time. What a revelation.My life changed ferever. I was on my way to the enlightened state of a true,"Kitchen Table Gunsmith", and never looked back. The empathetic soul that I am(sometimes when I ain't feelin mean) I started helpin other Hombre with thier cap&ballers. Sometimes they thunked it was magic.

Timin and fixin on a cap&baller is sorta like an art form. Fixin a completely wrecked down broken shootin iron cap&baller that was severly put together from the beginning and abused beyond recognition does seem like magic needs be involved.
The few working parts and all the anomalies that happen with frames and parts and every imaginable combination of hell fire torment that can metamorphe out of a single action(especially the cap&ballers) can strive to drive an Hombre insane as a jay bird. Course.....being an insane cap&ball shooter can be sorta fun at times. ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
I would imagine anywhoooooo!